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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2009/04/28/whats-happening-at-stl-ba-cbg-to-carlisle-blog-updates-coming-soon-and-invoices-aaaargh/#comment-2888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[US Biblica website now up and running
http://www.biblica.com/aboutus/ibs-stl-biblica.php
well worth a look - oh and then check out the bookstore link and read the affiliate page and faqs page - great signs of the move ahead we can probably look forward to!

yes, well sorry but monopolies, even christian ones, worry me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US Biblica website now up and running<br />
<a href="http://www.biblica.com/aboutus/ibs-stl-biblica.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblica.com/aboutus/ibs-stl-biblica.php</a><br />
well worth a look &#8211; oh and then check out the bookstore link and read the affiliate page and faqs page &#8211; great signs of the move ahead we can probably look forward to!</p>
<p>yes, well sorry but monopolies, even christian ones, worry me.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Bookselling: “the best job I have ever done” – Andrew Lacey, GLO « UKCBD: The Christian Bookshops Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Bookselling: “the best job I have ever done” – Andrew Lacey, GLO « UKCBD: The Christian Bookshops Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 05:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] My thanks to Andrew Lacey of GLO Bookshop for this thoughtful follow up to his previous response to my cry of despair over the chaos at STL [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My thanks to Andrew Lacey of GLO Bookshop for this thoughtful follow up to his previous response to my cry of despair over the chaos at STL [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Lacey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Lacey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To clarify several points. 

1. When I say I&#039;ve worked with a number of other companies, I mean five other retail companies over 30 years, from supermarkets to sportwear. I arrived in the Christian book trade some five years ago. So I have seen some pretty poor service and inept systems management. And I can assure you that, overall, I was very impressed by the general standards in the book trade supply chain when I arrived (Orca excepted....!). And STL were certainly were showing the way.

2. Yes, there has been six months of problems, and I don&#039;t make light of them lightly (if you see what I mean). But I do think that, overall, the attitude of the people at STL has been remarkably open &amp; contrite. I have seen similar problems on a number of occasions(and have, regretfully, also been involved in inflicting similarly ill-tested systems on long-suffering end-users). They are not easy to solve, and I&#039;m sure if STL could have resolved them six months ago, they would have done so.

3. The idea of a boycott did make my mind leap to a mental picture of myself standing at STL on a picket line. As my kids would say to me, &#039;Too far, Dad, that&#039;s just too far&#039;. I&#039;m sorry if I have trivialised what is to all of us a serious matter, and will think a bit more carefully before hitting that fatal &#039;Submit Comment&#039; button the next time......

4. While I don&#039;t agree with the idea of a boycott, we should all be assessing our supply chain. One of the reasons why I enjoy being an independent bookseller is that we can assess the best distributor to place orders- looking at margin, availability &amp; delivery. And at GLO, we are certainly doing that, and our proportion of business has markedly changed in the last six months. And, if STL are worth their salt, they will come back fighting to regain that market share- hopefully enticing us with good offers, good service, and resolution of the issues they are facing. And, yes, they need to take advantage of offers to get good information about what is happening at the sharp end.

5. And, finally, if I seem to make light of all this at times, perhaps it&#039;s because I am (still) hugely enjoying myself in this trade. After years of bringing in lorry loads of milk crates in the Scottish sleet at 6.00am, and contending with drunk/smashed/agressive yobbos when trying to close the shop at 9.55pm, I think this is the best job I have ever done. It may be pretty busy, it may have its frustration, but it is a privilege to be able to do it. I work with a great team, I get a lot of job satisfaction, and I really look forward to going to work each morning.....In my previous job, I would have been too exhausted to even think about &#039;blogging&#039;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify several points. </p>
<p>1. When I say I&#8217;ve worked with a number of other companies, I mean five other retail companies over 30 years, from supermarkets to sportwear. I arrived in the Christian book trade some five years ago. So I have seen some pretty poor service and inept systems management. And I can assure you that, overall, I was very impressed by the general standards in the book trade supply chain when I arrived (Orca excepted&#8230;.!). And STL were certainly were showing the way.</p>
<p>2. Yes, there has been six months of problems, and I don&#8217;t make light of them lightly (if you see what I mean). But I do think that, overall, the attitude of the people at STL has been remarkably open &amp; contrite. I have seen similar problems on a number of occasions(and have, regretfully, also been involved in inflicting similarly ill-tested systems on long-suffering end-users). They are not easy to solve, and I&#8217;m sure if STL could have resolved them six months ago, they would have done so.</p>
<p>3. The idea of a boycott did make my mind leap to a mental picture of myself standing at STL on a picket line. As my kids would say to me, &#8216;Too far, Dad, that&#8217;s just too far&#8217;. I&#8217;m sorry if I have trivialised what is to all of us a serious matter, and will think a bit more carefully before hitting that fatal &#8216;Submit Comment&#8217; button the next time&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>4. While I don&#8217;t agree with the idea of a boycott, we should all be assessing our supply chain. One of the reasons why I enjoy being an independent bookseller is that we can assess the best distributor to place orders- looking at margin, availability &amp; delivery. And at GLO, we are certainly doing that, and our proportion of business has markedly changed in the last six months. And, if STL are worth their salt, they will come back fighting to regain that market share- hopefully enticing us with good offers, good service, and resolution of the issues they are facing. And, yes, they need to take advantage of offers to get good information about what is happening at the sharp end.</p>
<p>5. And, finally, if I seem to make light of all this at times, perhaps it&#8217;s because I am (still) hugely enjoying myself in this trade. After years of bringing in lorry loads of milk crates in the Scottish sleet at 6.00am, and contending with drunk/smashed/agressive yobbos when trying to close the shop at 9.55pm, I think this is the best job I have ever done. It may be pretty busy, it may have its frustration, but it is a privilege to be able to do it. I work with a great team, I get a lot of job satisfaction, and I really look forward to going to work each morning&#8230;..In my previous job, I would have been too exhausted to even think about &#8216;blogging&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[melanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew,

Are you really telling me that you have had another supplier give you 6 months of continuous issues with what seems like very little resolution?? cause if so who?
(other than Orca&#039;s delivery time and that&#039;s at least one that has always existed and is even something they inform you of up front)  

I have been in christian bookselling in some way or another for over 14 years now and haven&#039;t had that until this last 6 months with STLD.
Oh and yes I do believe 6 months -yes folks that&#039;s right it is now a full 6 months since implementation of this system! - is more than enough time to have had to resolve the problems.

Personally having worked with Gardners, Bertrams and a fair few other wholesalers and distributors I am absolutely convinced they could do the job without the problems occuring on the scale that the STLD ones still are.

I notice a report in Christian Marketplace of at least one publisher that has made the decision to move to having multiple official distributors in the UK now - that strikes me as a telling statement that this issue is not a small one relegated to a few sitting with their &#039;homemade banners and chanting&#039;.

To be honest I think you rather make light of the issues at IBS-STL UK (or STLD) they strike me as being significantly more than just incorrect labelling and nil discounts perpetually re-occuring after 6 months.
I would give you a listing but then I am pretty sure they have all been covered more than adequately on this site already.

Still I thoroughly agree with your right not to pickett at the front gates of Kingstown Broadway - I certainly won&#039;t be there. After all boycotting and picketing are two completely different things for a start. But I do uphold your right to choose not to boycott as well.

Ohh and whilst I&#039;m here -
SELECT Promotion takers - can I take it you all did get and read your email about the unsolicited goods ie HOLIDAY READING LEAFLETS that you were going to have scaled out to you and be charged for if you didn&#039;t reply and opt of within 5 days? 
of which the first day was the friday the email was sent, and then one was a sunday and the other a bank holiday?
Just in case you didn&#039;t reply in time... http://bit.ly/tiX9W

Also just to put others minds at rest I have raised this and other issues with those with official titles at STLD just last week, and did indeed offer to be a consultant for them as I would like to work with them to resolve what I see as serious problems and issues, but as yet haven&#039;t had a response back to my offer.

Ohh and talking of things IBS-STL, well tangentially anyway - have people recieved their general passes to CBC as I haven&#039;t (and I know a few others that haven&#039;t as well) and I thought it said on the site they would be sent out 2 weeks before the event??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>Are you really telling me that you have had another supplier give you 6 months of continuous issues with what seems like very little resolution?? cause if so who?<br />
(other than Orca&#8217;s delivery time and that&#8217;s at least one that has always existed and is even something they inform you of up front)  </p>
<p>I have been in christian bookselling in some way or another for over 14 years now and haven&#8217;t had that until this last 6 months with STLD.<br />
Oh and yes I do believe 6 months -yes folks that&#8217;s right it is now a full 6 months since implementation of this system! &#8211; is more than enough time to have had to resolve the problems.</p>
<p>Personally having worked with Gardners, Bertrams and a fair few other wholesalers and distributors I am absolutely convinced they could do the job without the problems occuring on the scale that the STLD ones still are.</p>
<p>I notice a report in Christian Marketplace of at least one publisher that has made the decision to move to having multiple official distributors in the UK now &#8211; that strikes me as a telling statement that this issue is not a small one relegated to a few sitting with their &#8216;homemade banners and chanting&#8217;.</p>
<p>To be honest I think you rather make light of the issues at IBS-STL UK (or STLD) they strike me as being significantly more than just incorrect labelling and nil discounts perpetually re-occuring after 6 months.<br />
I would give you a listing but then I am pretty sure they have all been covered more than adequately on this site already.</p>
<p>Still I thoroughly agree with your right not to pickett at the front gates of Kingstown Broadway &#8211; I certainly won&#8217;t be there. After all boycotting and picketing are two completely different things for a start. But I do uphold your right to choose not to boycott as well.</p>
<p>Ohh and whilst I&#8217;m here -<br />
SELECT Promotion takers &#8211; can I take it you all did get and read your email about the unsolicited goods ie HOLIDAY READING LEAFLETS that you were going to have scaled out to you and be charged for if you didn&#8217;t reply and opt of within 5 days?<br />
of which the first day was the friday the email was sent, and then one was a sunday and the other a bank holiday?<br />
Just in case you didn&#8217;t reply in time&#8230; <a href="http://bit.ly/tiX9W" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/tiX9W</a></p>
<p>Also just to put others minds at rest I have raised this and other issues with those with official titles at STLD just last week, and did indeed offer to be a consultant for them as I would like to work with them to resolve what I see as serious problems and issues, but as yet haven&#8217;t had a response back to my offer.</p>
<p>Ohh and talking of things IBS-STL, well tangentially anyway &#8211; have people recieved their general passes to CBC as I haven&#8217;t (and I know a few others that haven&#8217;t as well) and I thought it said on the site they would be sent out 2 weeks before the event??</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Lacey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Lacey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems there are a number of differing experiences of the STL statement issue.

We are in the fortunate position of having an accountant looking at the overall position for the GLO ministry. So I don&#039;t have spend loads of time to reconcile the statements- STL or anyone else. And, since I don&#039;t see Ian tearing his hair out, I presume he is doing reasonably well. We are working on fairly old-fashioned paper-to-paper entry, which is probably pretty clear cut- either I&#039;ve signed the invoice/credit and he has the bit of paper- or I haven&#039;t. In which case we give a call to our friends at Customer Services and the paper promptly arrives in some format. 

In case this sounds a rather smug posting from the GLO Bookshop......

That is not to say there are not issues, and that the constant emailing isn&#039;t frustrating etc. And I&#039;m not convinced that STL couldn&#039;t do something more to inform about/correct global nil discount problems and promotional price issues, without 200 shops having to individually write an email....

But I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m not signing up to a boycott of STL, ladies &amp; gents! I&#039;ve worked with a number of companies before, and have seen all these frustrations before. And if we were to boycott STL and shift the 80-85% of our trade to other businesses, I&#039;m not convinced we wouldn&#039;t find those frustrations simply moved from one place to another. Far better (I think) to work with STL (and all other suppliers) to minimise time wasting errors &amp; processes. And, yes, to hold them to account where neccesary. But please be assured reading your postings make me very, very, very appreciative of the fact I don&#039;t have to sit up at night reconciling paperwork.......

Apart from that, the weather is far too miserable to be standing on a picket line on Kingstown Broadway in Carlisle with old shop fittings burning brightly in the obligatory oil drum, holding my little home made banner and chanting

&lt;b&gt;&#039;WHAT DO WE WANT?&#039;&lt;/b&gt;

&#039;Correct Stickering on all Zondervan products and Proper Discounts allocated on the SAP matrix with less paperwork!&#039;

&lt;b&gt;&#039;WHEN DO WE WANT IT?&#039;&lt;/b&gt;

&#039;As soon as the SAP consultants can reasonably assess the situation and suggest appropriate changes to the process flow charts prior to implementing (but only after the proposed  changes have been thoroughly trialled and debugged)!&#039;

It just doesn&#039;t have the revolutionary ring, does it? Although, maybe on a nice sunny day in July I&#039;ll think differently.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems there are a number of differing experiences of the STL statement issue.</p>
<p>We are in the fortunate position of having an accountant looking at the overall position for the GLO ministry. So I don&#8217;t have spend loads of time to reconcile the statements- STL or anyone else. And, since I don&#8217;t see Ian tearing his hair out, I presume he is doing reasonably well. We are working on fairly old-fashioned paper-to-paper entry, which is probably pretty clear cut- either I&#8217;ve signed the invoice/credit and he has the bit of paper- or I haven&#8217;t. In which case we give a call to our friends at Customer Services and the paper promptly arrives in some format. </p>
<p>In case this sounds a rather smug posting from the GLO Bookshop&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>That is not to say there are not issues, and that the constant emailing isn&#8217;t frustrating etc. And I&#8217;m not convinced that STL couldn&#8217;t do something more to inform about/correct global nil discount problems and promotional price issues, without 200 shops having to individually write an email&#8230;.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m not signing up to a boycott of STL, ladies &amp; gents! I&#8217;ve worked with a number of companies before, and have seen all these frustrations before. And if we were to boycott STL and shift the 80-85% of our trade to other businesses, I&#8217;m not convinced we wouldn&#8217;t find those frustrations simply moved from one place to another. Far better (I think) to work with STL (and all other suppliers) to minimise time wasting errors &amp; processes. And, yes, to hold them to account where neccesary. But please be assured reading your postings make me very, very, very appreciative of the fact I don&#8217;t have to sit up at night reconciling paperwork&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Apart from that, the weather is far too miserable to be standing on a picket line on Kingstown Broadway in Carlisle with old shop fittings burning brightly in the obligatory oil drum, holding my little home made banner and chanting</p>
<p><b>&#8216;WHAT DO WE WANT?&#8217;</b></p>
<p>&#8216;Correct Stickering on all Zondervan products and Proper Discounts allocated on the SAP matrix with less paperwork!&#8217;</p>
<p><b>&#8216;WHEN DO WE WANT IT?&#8217;</b></p>
<p>&#8216;As soon as the SAP consultants can reasonably assess the situation and suggest appropriate changes to the process flow charts prior to implementing (but only after the proposed  changes have been thoroughly trialled and debugged)!&#8217;</p>
<p>It just doesn&#8217;t have the revolutionary ring, does it? Although, maybe on a nice sunny day in July I&#8217;ll think differently&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 07:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Geoff,

Ahh I wish my monthly reconciliation like yours had been so simple - but I am afraid rather like Phil, I found it a bit of headache matching up the invoices and wondering about the missing credits for all the errors, overcharges and carriage charges pointed out quite a while ago.

Still I am sure in time it will get better - after all in time everything does in some way.

Any chance of giving us your report from the BA CBG AGM then? It would be good to get another report on what went on and was said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Geoff,</p>
<p>Ahh I wish my monthly reconciliation like yours had been so simple &#8211; but I am afraid rather like Phil, I found it a bit of headache matching up the invoices and wondering about the missing credits for all the errors, overcharges and carriage charges pointed out quite a while ago.</p>
<p>Still I am sure in time it will get better &#8211; after all in time everything does in some way.</p>
<p>Any chance of giving us your report from the BA CBG AGM then? It would be good to get another report on what went on and was said.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 16:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Phil
Sorry to hear you are having a problem reconciling Batch. I&#039;ve just done my April Batch invoices for STL. 54 invoices, exact match to statement. Time taken about 5 minutes.
You missed an excellent event at the AGM]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phil<br />
Sorry to hear you are having a problem reconciling Batch. I&#8217;ve just done my April Batch invoices for STL. 54 invoices, exact match to statement. Time taken about 5 minutes.<br />
You missed an excellent event at the AGM</p>
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		<title>By: asingleblog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[asingleblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could ask why a box of books containing advent literature for 2008 found it&#039;s way to a booksop in 2009.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could ask why a box of books containing advent literature for 2008 found it&#8217;s way to a booksop in 2009.</p>
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