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	<title>Comments on: SAP and IBS-STL UK: A Timeline and Some Reflections</title>
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		<title>By: STL UK: Last orders TODAY for stock over the Easter Bank Holiday weekend &#171; UKCBD: The Christian Bookshops Blog</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2009/12/01/sap-and-ibs-stl-uk-a-timeline-and-some-reflections/#comment-5998</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[STL UK: Last orders TODAY for stock over the Easter Bank Holiday weekend &#171; UKCBD: The Christian Bookshops Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 06:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] STL UK to carry you over the Easter Bank Holiday weekend and into next week. Because at 4pm today, SAP dies. Synergi and stldistribution.co.uk will also be switched off, making way for the long-awaited [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] STL UK to carry you over the Easter Bank Holiday weekend and into next week. Because at 4pm today, SAP dies. Synergi and stldistribution.co.uk will also be switched off, making way for the long-awaited [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Failed SAP implementation &#38; collapse of IBS-STL UK - Microsoft Dynamics AX UK Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Failed SAP implementation &#38; collapse of IBS-STL UK - Microsoft Dynamics AX UK Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pax Vobiscum</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pax Vobiscum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would be interested to know what Mark perceives to be the balance between mission and business. Could he give some examples of where/in what way this balance has been lost?

It is no good just saying that it is this situation that IBS-STL finds itself in that proves his point. That could be because the focus of the business is wrong - or the the focus of the mission is wrong. Not necessarily an off-kilter balance between the two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested to know what Mark perceives to be the balance between mission and business. Could he give some examples of where/in what way this balance has been lost?</p>
<p>It is no good just saying that it is this situation that IBS-STL finds itself in that proves his point. That could be because the focus of the business is wrong &#8211; or the the focus of the mission is wrong. Not necessarily an off-kilter balance between the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Groom</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2009/12/01/sap-and-ibs-stl-uk-a-timeline-and-some-reflections/#comment-4292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Groom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ian, if it were as simple as STL UK being &quot;a financially struggling commercial enterprise&quot; in another country then, yes, I&#039;d say you&#039;ve got a point. But STL UK&#039;s distribution work — and its publishing division along with its chain of &quot;100% Charity&quot; Wesley Owen shops — is just as much part of the organisation&#039;s global mission as any other. We&#039;re not talking about two separate organisations here — at least, we weren&#039;t until things started going belly-up here in the UK. Until then, it was one big happy global family; but now, thanks to the convenient legal loopholes of different parts of the organisation coming under different jurisdictions, the one can pull the plug on the other. 

And why did things go belly-up? Because of the attempt to create a &quot;Global Enterprise System&quot; for which the UK effectively became the dummy run. Yes, bad timing too and other factors that will no doubt come to light, but it&#039;s Biblica themselves who are saying that the failed SAP implementation was the killer.

Why is it acceptable to prop up STL Distribution USA with the royalties from the NIV but not STL Distribution UK? Because that&#039;s what they&#039;re doing:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The financial health of the US organization is stronger, partly because of the 30+ year success of the NIV Bible which is owned by Biblica US, our parent company.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
and whilst STL UK&#039;s finances might not have been rock solid, they were certainly in good health until they were swallowed up into the IBS global mothership.

In my view, then, it most certainly is remiss of Biblica to have allowed things to reach this point. The analogy of a body, as cited by Geoff, is a good one. When one part of the body is injured then you do divert resources that would have otherwise been allocated to other parts to bring about healing.

In the meantime, my prayers — along with everyone else&#039;s — are with those who find themselves to be part of the limb that&#039;s being lopped off; and my prayer is that that limb will not die but survive to grow into something leaner, fitter and stronger...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, if it were as simple as STL UK being &#8220;a financially struggling commercial enterprise&#8221; in another country then, yes, I&#8217;d say you&#8217;ve got a point. But STL UK&#8217;s distribution work — and its publishing division along with its chain of &#8220;100% Charity&#8221; Wesley Owen shops — is just as much part of the organisation&#8217;s global mission as any other. We&#8217;re not talking about two separate organisations here — at least, we weren&#8217;t until things started going belly-up here in the UK. Until then, it was one big happy global family; but now, thanks to the convenient legal loopholes of different parts of the organisation coming under different jurisdictions, the one can pull the plug on the other. </p>
<p>And why did things go belly-up? Because of the attempt to create a &#8220;Global Enterprise System&#8221; for which the UK effectively became the dummy run. Yes, bad timing too and other factors that will no doubt come to light, but it&#8217;s Biblica themselves who are saying that the failed SAP implementation was the killer.</p>
<p>Why is it acceptable to prop up STL Distribution USA with the royalties from the NIV but not STL Distribution UK? Because that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re doing:</p>
<blockquote><p>The financial health of the US organization is stronger, partly because of the 30+ year success of the NIV Bible which is owned by Biblica US, our parent company.</p></blockquote>
<p>and whilst STL UK&#8217;s finances might not have been rock solid, they were certainly in good health until they were swallowed up into the IBS global mothership.</p>
<p>In my view, then, it most certainly is remiss of Biblica to have allowed things to reach this point. The analogy of a body, as cited by Geoff, is a good one. When one part of the body is injured then you do divert resources that would have otherwise been allocated to other parts to bring about healing.</p>
<p>In the meantime, my prayers — along with everyone else&#8217;s — are with those who find themselves to be part of the limb that&#8217;s being lopped off; and my prayer is that that limb will not die but survive to grow into something leaner, fitter and stronger&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2009/12/01/sap-and-ibs-stl-uk-a-timeline-and-some-reflections/#comment-4288</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil. I&#039;m not sure sure you&#039;re being fair to Biblica here. The missional aims of the &#039;IBS&#039; side of the organisation are bible distribution and the financing of bible translation around the world. That is the pledge given in every NIV about how the royalties will be used.

I am just suggesting that to divert significant funds (a multi-million pound sum I guess) from that pledge is more complex than you are suggesting. It is absolutely a tragedy for all those people (including a lot of my friends) are facing such uncertainty. I know - I am still walking through this myself. But, it isn&#039;t a simple solution to take all the charitable funds of an organisation from one country (where a promise on the spending them has been made) to support a financially struggling commercial enterprise in another, and I don&#039;t think it is fair on the STL employees to insinuate that Biblica are remiss for not doing this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil. I&#8217;m not sure sure you&#8217;re being fair to Biblica here. The missional aims of the &#8216;IBS&#8217; side of the organisation are bible distribution and the financing of bible translation around the world. That is the pledge given in every NIV about how the royalties will be used.</p>
<p>I am just suggesting that to divert significant funds (a multi-million pound sum I guess) from that pledge is more complex than you are suggesting. It is absolutely a tragedy for all those people (including a lot of my friends) are facing such uncertainty. I know &#8211; I am still walking through this myself. But, it isn&#8217;t a simple solution to take all the charitable funds of an organisation from one country (where a promise on the spending them has been made) to support a financially struggling commercial enterprise in another, and I don&#8217;t think it is fair on the STL employees to insinuate that Biblica are remiss for not doing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Groom</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2009/12/01/sap-and-ibs-stl-uk-a-timeline-and-some-reflections/#comment-4282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Groom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you suggest, please, Mark, in terms of ways to support STL?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you suggest, please, Mark, in terms of ways to support STL?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Groom</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2009/12/01/sap-and-ibs-stl-uk-a-timeline-and-some-reflections/#comment-4281</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Groom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally I&#039;m much more concerned about Biblica/IBS-STL&#039;s employees being subjected to all this uncertainty over their future than I am about people  elsewhere in the world having Bibles (especially if it&#039;s variations of the NIV being foisted on them). What good is it for a mission organisation to say to people in other parts of the world, &quot;Here&#039;s a Bible, God bless you&quot; if it leaves its own people in the lurch?

My view is that an employer has a duty of care towards its employees — and when that employer is a supposedly Christian organisation that duty of care is even greater. A good number of staff at STL in Carlisle aren&#039;t Christians — so what does the way Biblica are now treating them tell them about Christianity? What kind of mission is this that pulls the plug on people&#039;s livelihoods in this way?

OK, so the search is on for a buyer or buyers — but they&#039;ve been told in no uncertain terms that if no buyer is found, that&#039;s it: administration kicks in. Meanwhile STL USA reassures everyone that its finances are secured by the license fees and royalties being paid by other organisations for the privilege of using the NIV ... 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2009/12/01/sap-and-ibs-stl-uk-a-timeline-and-some-reflections/#comment-4270&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As Simon says&lt;/a&gt;, can&#039;t help thinking the balance between mission and business been lost somewhere along the line...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I&#8217;m much more concerned about Biblica/IBS-STL&#8217;s employees being subjected to all this uncertainty over their future than I am about people  elsewhere in the world having Bibles (especially if it&#8217;s variations of the NIV being foisted on them). What good is it for a mission organisation to say to people in other parts of the world, &#8220;Here&#8217;s a Bible, God bless you&#8221; if it leaves its own people in the lurch?</p>
<p>My view is that an employer has a duty of care towards its employees — and when that employer is a supposedly Christian organisation that duty of care is even greater. A good number of staff at STL in Carlisle aren&#8217;t Christians — so what does the way Biblica are now treating them tell them about Christianity? What kind of mission is this that pulls the plug on people&#8217;s livelihoods in this way?</p>
<p>OK, so the search is on for a buyer or buyers — but they&#8217;ve been told in no uncertain terms that if no buyer is found, that&#8217;s it: administration kicks in. Meanwhile STL USA reassures everyone that its finances are secured by the license fees and royalties being paid by other organisations for the privilege of using the NIV &#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2009/12/01/sap-and-ibs-stl-uk-a-timeline-and-some-reflections/#comment-4270" rel="nofollow">As Simon says</a>, can&#8217;t help thinking the balance between mission and business been lost somewhere along the line&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2009/12/01/sap-and-ibs-stl-uk-a-timeline-and-some-reflections/#comment-4276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Geoff

Absolutely, and I suspect there has been a significant level of support from the US. Although even if the number of Christian bookshops halved in the UK we would still have infinitely more access to scripture than most of the world.

In the US the &#039;STL&#039; side of the business is pretty small compared to the &#039;IBS&#039; side, and I do wonder if the US authorities would take a dim view of a not-for-profit organsiation using their money to sustain a commercial operation in the UK. I think the charity commissioners would feel the same about Biblica UK using profits from the UK to suport the US distrituion business (formerly Appaclachian), rather than for the charitable aims.

I may be wrong, but I think this will be a significant factor.

Also, the tie-up is much more than just the UK - the work of OM/STL in India was probably an important aspect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Geoff</p>
<p>Absolutely, and I suspect there has been a significant level of support from the US. Although even if the number of Christian bookshops halved in the UK we would still have infinitely more access to scripture than most of the world.</p>
<p>In the US the &#8216;STL&#8217; side of the business is pretty small compared to the &#8216;IBS&#8217; side, and I do wonder if the US authorities would take a dim view of a not-for-profit organsiation using their money to sustain a commercial operation in the UK. I think the charity commissioners would feel the same about Biblica UK using profits from the UK to suport the US distrituion business (formerly Appaclachian), rather than for the charitable aims.</p>
<p>I may be wrong, but I think this will be a significant factor.</p>
<p>Also, the tie-up is much more than just the UK &#8211; the work of OM/STL in India was probably an important aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think its a perfectly valid question, otherwise what is the point of joining a global network if it is only a one way exercise. And what was the point of installing a global computer system if no one else was going to pay for it (I assume)? You could easily argue that if STL falls (and I would still hope that it doesn&#039;t)and a number of shops with it then less opportunities will be available to make scripture accessible in local towns. Not everyone buys online.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its a perfectly valid question, otherwise what is the point of joining a global network if it is only a one way exercise. And what was the point of installing a global computer system if no one else was going to pay for it (I assume)? You could easily argue that if STL falls (and I would still hope that it doesn&#8217;t)and a number of shops with it then less opportunities will be available to make scripture accessible in local towns. Not everyone buys online.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is a pretty complex question. Is it right that money from the parent company that would be used to distrbute scripture around the world be used instead to support a commercial venture in the UK?

I&#039;m not answering that one way or the other, but I think that is the question that will be asked in Colorado Springs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a pretty complex question. Is it right that money from the parent company that would be used to distrbute scripture around the world be used instead to support a commercial venture in the UK?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not answering that one way or the other, but I think that is the question that will be asked in Colorado Springs.</p>
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