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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2010/07/19/shack-attack-and-now-its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-7814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grinning here!
No more cynical than most of us on the days that just don&#039;t turn quite right.

Mixing faith and business is hard work, especially when determined to do it with faith as the foremost integral value, it&#039;s always going to be hard - after all man cannot serve two masters as the book says.

However if we can&#039;t blend faith and business and make it work then somewhere we are probably in trouble, because at the end of the day we would be conceding that there are parts of our life where God doesn&#039;t work.

I figure there must be a way to do it, but it probably is darn hard, after all it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom than a camel to pass through the eye of the needle, and though none of us may be rich the intent is much the same.
However I remain convinced we can do it if we really try, I know it can be done - afterall there are longstanding businesses in the Jewish community where they have and do follow the biblical principles of a much more rigorous life than ours. Though perhaps that&#039;s part of it, perhaps in some ways that&#039;s a boon and not a hinderance as we are often led to think these days?

I do concede with you though that it is hard, and if it can&#039;t be done by some then it would be better to be honest and opt out of the &#039;Christian&#039; banner and just work to good secular principles as at least this way we don&#039;t bring the community into repute.

One things for sure it&#039;s not something with an easy answer because at the end of the day we are all just less than perfect people trying to live a better life - but sometimes we just miss the mark - by a long mile ;0) 
Luckily we have a forgiving father who understands us and allows us to actively repent and try again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grinning here!<br />
No more cynical than most of us on the days that just don&#8217;t turn quite right.</p>
<p>Mixing faith and business is hard work, especially when determined to do it with faith as the foremost integral value, it&#8217;s always going to be hard &#8211; after all man cannot serve two masters as the book says.</p>
<p>However if we can&#8217;t blend faith and business and make it work then somewhere we are probably in trouble, because at the end of the day we would be conceding that there are parts of our life where God doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>I figure there must be a way to do it, but it probably is darn hard, after all it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom than a camel to pass through the eye of the needle, and though none of us may be rich the intent is much the same.<br />
However I remain convinced we can do it if we really try, I know it can be done &#8211; afterall there are longstanding businesses in the Jewish community where they have and do follow the biblical principles of a much more rigorous life than ours. Though perhaps that&#8217;s part of it, perhaps in some ways that&#8217;s a boon and not a hinderance as we are often led to think these days?</p>
<p>I do concede with you though that it is hard, and if it can&#8217;t be done by some then it would be better to be honest and opt out of the &#8216;Christian&#8217; banner and just work to good secular principles as at least this way we don&#8217;t bring the community into repute.</p>
<p>One things for sure it&#8217;s not something with an easy answer because at the end of the day we are all just less than perfect people trying to live a better life &#8211; but sometimes we just miss the mark &#8211; by a long mile ;0)<br />
Luckily we have a forgiving father who understands us and allows us to actively repent and try again.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2010/07/19/shack-attack-and-now-its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-7812</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do think that there are quite significant similarities between the Shack and Kingsway situations here. 

It&#039;s not about whether the products, content etc are good or bad, I&#039;m sure we all love a lot of the kingsway stock, but rather how, as Christians, we go about dealing with one another. 

I don&#039;t know. Perhaps we should just turn over control of our larger christian organisations to secular leadership, and avoid much of this conflict. Perhaps Christianity and business are fundamentally incompatible. 

It does seem that, in general, companies who are primarily secular, or owned by secular groups are often a lot easier to deal with than those which exist as &quot;ministries&quot;. I know that Christians can forge really brilliant partnerships, but i am starting to come to the conclusion that sometimes it would make my life much easier if my faith and my business were not related.

How cynical do i sound right now!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think that there are quite significant similarities between the Shack and Kingsway situations here. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about whether the products, content etc are good or bad, I&#8217;m sure we all love a lot of the kingsway stock, but rather how, as Christians, we go about dealing with one another. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. Perhaps we should just turn over control of our larger christian organisations to secular leadership, and avoid much of this conflict. Perhaps Christianity and business are fundamentally incompatible. </p>
<p>It does seem that, in general, companies who are primarily secular, or owned by secular groups are often a lot easier to deal with than those which exist as &#8220;ministries&#8221;. I know that Christians can forge really brilliant partnerships, but i am starting to come to the conclusion that sometimes it would make my life much easier if my faith and my business were not related.</p>
<p>How cynical do i sound right now!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Groom</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2010/07/19/shack-attack-and-now-its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-7765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Groom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fear not, Ally: we understand. I&#039;m told the Pope has one, so we&#039;re all in good company. Your use of the term is hereby awarded a Papal Imprimatur :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fear not, Ally: we understand. I&#8217;m told the Pope has one, so we&#8217;re all in good company. Your use of the term is hereby awarded a Papal Imprimatur <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: supersimbo</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2010/07/19/shack-attack-and-now-its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-7764</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[supersimbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I literally have no idea why that previous comment came up as super2710 - it was him that said &quot;asshole&quot; - not me!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I literally have no idea why that previous comment came up as super2710 &#8211; it was him that said &#8220;asshole&#8221; &#8211; not me!!</p>
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		<title>By: super2710</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2010/07/19/shack-attack-and-now-its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-7763</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[super2710]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for highlighting my use of the word/term &#039;assholes&#039;

sigh! ha]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for highlighting my use of the word/term &#8216;assholes&#8217;</p>
<p>sigh! ha</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Groom</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2010/07/19/shack-attack-and-now-its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-7762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Groom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well spotted and well said Luke: thanks. Adding a supersimbo link to the main post.

Have to confess I&#039;m now at something of a loss as to where to go next with the Kingsway situation. What is it with Pacman that he&#039;s slammed the doors on dialogue? Do we need to shame the entire Christian trade by calling in the OFT or presenting the case to BBC Watchdog before Kingsway will wake up?

Am I turning into one of Ally&#039;s assholes because I won&#039;t let go of the situation?

Challenging times for us all...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well spotted and well said Luke: thanks. Adding a supersimbo link to the main post.</p>
<p>Have to confess I&#8217;m now at something of a loss as to where to go next with the Kingsway situation. What is it with Pacman that he&#8217;s slammed the doors on dialogue? Do we need to shame the entire Christian trade by calling in the OFT or presenting the case to BBC Watchdog before Kingsway will wake up?</p>
<p>Am I turning into one of Ally&#8217;s assholes because I won&#8217;t let go of the situation?</p>
<p>Challenging times for us all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2010/07/19/shack-attack-and-now-its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-7758</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see a lot of people attacking &quot;The Shack&quot; for it&#039;s content, and very few here addressing the real issue, that, in fact, this controversy has nothing to do with the content of The Shack (everyone involved still seems to be standing by the work itself) but rather the sad state of affairs that even Christians can&#039;t work together when big money is involved. 

To quote Ally Simpson (Better known as supersimbo round these parts)

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have seen, experienced and know ‘Christians’ who turn into assholes when money is at stake! The reason?

“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually he made a really good post about this a few days before Phil posted this one

http://supersimbo.com/2010/07/its-kicking-off-in-the-shack/

And i think he hit the nail right on the head.

It&#039;s sad that when dealing with Christian brothers it is no longer good enough to:

&quot;Let what you say be simply &#039;Yes&#039; or &#039;No&#039;; anything more than this comes from evil.&quot; (Matt 5:37 ESV)

Clearly, when it comes to these sorts of agreements, much more was said than yes, or no.

It is such a shame that the Christian community now needs to resort to legal routes to resolve disputes between Christian Brothers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot of people attacking &#8220;The Shack&#8221; for it&#8217;s content, and very few here addressing the real issue, that, in fact, this controversy has nothing to do with the content of The Shack (everyone involved still seems to be standing by the work itself) but rather the sad state of affairs that even Christians can&#8217;t work together when big money is involved. </p>
<p>To quote Ally Simpson (Better known as supersimbo round these parts)</p>
<blockquote><p>I have seen, experienced and know ‘Christians’ who turn into assholes when money is at stake! The reason?</p>
<p>“For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually he made a really good post about this a few days before Phil posted this one</p>
<p><a href="http://supersimbo.com/2010/07/its-kicking-off-in-the-shack/" rel="nofollow">http://supersimbo.com/2010/07/its-kicking-off-in-the-shack/</a></p>
<p>And i think he hit the nail right on the head.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad that when dealing with Christian brothers it is no longer good enough to:</p>
<p>&#8220;Let what you say be simply &#8216;Yes&#8217; or &#8216;No&#8217;; anything more than this comes from evil.&#8221; (Matt 5:37 ESV)</p>
<p>Clearly, when it comes to these sorts of agreements, much more was said than yes, or no.</p>
<p>It is such a shame that the Christian community now needs to resort to legal routes to resolve disputes between Christian Brothers.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Peters</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2010/07/19/shack-attack-and-now-its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-7757</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine Peters]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I follow the blog and podcasts of Wayne Jacobsen ( http://lifestream.org/blog ) - one of the men behind publishing The Shack. He hasn&#039;t mentioned about the lawsuit on there, but it&#039;s all very sad. We don&#039;t know what&#039;s really going on though - they might still be friends. The media just project onto the situation that they must be bickering. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I follow the blog and podcasts of Wayne Jacobsen ( <a href="http://lifestream.org/blog" rel="nofollow">http://lifestream.org/blog</a> ) &#8211; one of the men behind publishing The Shack. He hasn&#8217;t mentioned about the lawsuit on there, but it&#8217;s all very sad. We don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s really going on though &#8211; they might still be friends. The media just project onto the situation that they must be bickering. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: matthew hosier</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2010/07/19/shack-attack-and-now-its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-7741</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matthew hosier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main problem with The Shack is that it works on the premise that the biblical revelation of God in Jesus Christ is insufficient - which is why Mack needs to meet &#039;God&#039; in a way that does not reflect the biblical narrative. This being the case, it is hardly surprising that those involved in writing/publishing it are clearly not taking 1 Cor 6:7-8 seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem with The Shack is that it works on the premise that the biblical revelation of God in Jesus Christ is insufficient &#8211; which is why Mack needs to meet &#8216;God&#8217; in a way that does not reflect the biblical narrative. This being the case, it is hardly surprising that those involved in writing/publishing it are clearly not taking 1 Cor 6:7-8 seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Evangelical</title>
		<link>http://christianbookshopsblog.org.uk/2010/07/19/shack-attack-and-now-its-all-gone-wrong/#comment-7709</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Canadian Evangelical]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Mark Driscoll himself is widely known for his dodgy doctrine (e.g. women were created to give men sexual pleasure -- a sort of dildo theology), he&#039;s not one to be talking.

But it is always the dodgy ones who do the most ranting about others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Mark Driscoll himself is widely known for his dodgy doctrine (e.g. women were created to give men sexual pleasure &#8212; a sort of dildo theology), he&#8217;s not one to be talking.</p>
<p>But it is always the dodgy ones who do the most ranting about others.</p>
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